Garage Floor Epoxy, Attempt #2

I put an epoxy coating on my garage floor last year. As I mentioned in the post on my website, I wasn't all that thrilled with the way the color turned out, and after living with it for a year I decided that I would make a second attempt to get a color I liked.

Background 

Here's the bare concrete floor I started with last year:

Garage floor "before"

Here's the "after" picture from last year:

Garage Floor - "after" 

And here's a close up of the epoxy I used last year.

Garage Floor Detail

It's a little hard to tell from the picture, but the base coat of epoxy, which was called "tan," really looks more yellow. The flakes that I used in the floor were a mixture of black, white, and gray. After living with the floor for a year, I concluded that the gray flakes didn't have enough contrast with the yellow base coat and just made the floor look washed out.  

Attempt #2

I used iPaint.us's "Epoxy Kote" product for the base coat both this summer and last summer. Aside from the color, I've been happy with the performance of the product, i.e., it hasn't chipped, I haven't experienced any hot tire lift, etc.

Last year I bought iPaint's simulated granite kit (
http://www.ipaint.us/sigrfl.html). I wouldn't recommend buying the kit for 3 reasons. First, the top coat in that kit is epoxy, which is a little amber colored, and not as good as urethane. I couldn't find a source for urethane last year, but this year iPaint has started selling it. Second, the paint flakes they sent me weren't very uniform in size, and this year I've found other paint flakes I like better. Third, you can pick your exact base coat color and flake color(s) if you don't buy their kit.

The materials I used this year were as follows:

Base Coat: Epoxy Kote, color D41: http://www.ipaint.us/poshwh.html

Paint Flakes, 2 parts black to 1 part white: http://www.adpolymers.com/. I also ordered samples from JNK products, and their paint flakes also would have been fine: http://www.jnkproducts.com/epoarmor.htm. They couldn't offer me any discount on my quantity, so I went with adpolymers', but price aside it was a toss up. Based on what I'd read online and talking to a professional installer, I bought 50 pounds of flakes for my 3 car garage. That was WAY too much. I used only about 10-15 pounds. If I had used even 25 pounds I wouldn't have be able to see the base coat at all. So I have a lot of flakes left over. I was glad I painted a test patch first and then bought samples of the flakes and sprinkled them on the test patch (after it's dry) to see what color combination I wanted. You can just vacuum them up when you're done. JNK has a ton of different colors and shipped very quickly. I bought about a dozen different color samples, and I was surprised at what I ended up with -- simple black and white. I've got twice as many black flakes as white, but not because I like black. When you look at the floor you'd think the black and white flakes were broadcast equally. I wouldn't have known that if I hadn't done the test patch first.

Spiked shoes. You can also buy the spiked shoes at adpolymers that allow you to walk on the wet epoxy to broadcast the paint flakes. The spiked shoes make it way easier to broadcast the flakes well.

Top Coat: Moisture Cure Urethane for the top coat:
http://www.ipaint.us/clwomocuhigl.html. I can't vouch for the long-term performance of the urethane top coat, but I will say that it looks absolutely fantastic at this point -- far better than the epoxy top coat I used last time. It really is crystal clear. It's supposed to be much tougher than epoxy too, but like I said, I won't know for sure until I've had it in my garage for awhile. Couple tips about that -- you're definitely going to want a respirator when you apply it -- the fumes are incredibly noxious, even with two 20" box fans going. You can get an AO respirator for about $30 at Home Depot or Lowes that works well. Second, the directions say don't put it on too thick or it will get milky. As far as I could tell you could do several thin coats, however. If I had it to do over again, I'd do a third coat of the urethane just because it looks so darn good. The stuff is so shiny that it's hard to tell where you've put it down already; I ended up going through my garage before doing the second coat and putting pennies on the floor on the spots I'd missed so I'd be sure to get them the second time. I had to look at the floor from several different angles to find all the spots.

Summary of Steps

My whole process was (keeping in mind I already had epoxy on my floor):

Day 1: Scarify existing epoxy surface; wash with TSP; rinse *very thoroughly*; squeegee off excess water. You wouldn't need to do this if you were starting from scratch with bare concrete, but you would need to acid wash your floor, flush it with clear water, then TSP wash your floor and flush it with clear water.

Day 2: Base coat of Epoxy Kote

Day 3: Second coat of Epoxy Kote and broadcast paint flakes onto the surface. The spiked shoes are key to doing this well. It's also a good idea to throw the flakes up, not down, so you get a better distribution.

Day 4: Rest day -- allow epoxy to cure (the iPaint contact told me to wait 48-72 hours to apply the urethane, but there's a small window here in which the epoxy is cured enough that it can be top coated but not so much that the urethane won't adhere to it.)

Day 5: scrape paint flakes (very important step that I didn't do last year -- makes the floor much smoother); blow them away with an electric leaf blower; apply first urethane top coat. You can get the floor scraper at Lowes or Home Depot.

Day 6: Scrape paint flakes again; blow them away again; and apply second urethane top coat

I haven't actually parked my car in the garage yet. The iPaint.us guy I talked to said to wait for 7 days, but I'm waiting for 14 just to be safe. I dragged my heavy refrigerator across the floor last night (after 7 days) and the floor was absolutely unaffected, so it would probably be fine to park my cars in the garage now, but I'm waiting anyway.

Here's what it looks like:

Here's a little closer view:

And here's an extreme close up of the paint flakes -- you can see the flakes and also get a good sense of how shiny the urethane is:

 

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Published Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:33 AM by Steve McConnell
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Comments

Friday, August 10, 2007 2:18 PM by krautman

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Wow, that is beautiful.  Looks like a professional job.  I just did epoxied my garage with Behr garage floor paint.  Jet sprayed, degreased, acid cleaned and etched, primer, and then two thin coats of the epoxy.  Waited 2 days before putting on second coat, and then waited 8 days to drive on it after the second coat (directions said to wait 7).  Last night was the first I parked in it. After I pulled the car out today, the painted melted where the tires were!#)(^Q!  I'm glad you didn't get any hot tire lift, it is very frustrating after all the work you go through.  Maybe it was the "cheap" Behr paint at $30 gallon (cheap compared to others).

Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:44 AM by Joe Martin

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I have tried the paints from ipaint, and the big box store paints and they are all junky. The only coating system that I found that works is the ArmorFleck System from www.armorpoxy.com

These guys know their stuff and sell mostly industrial grade products. Their prices are fair and they shipped the day I ordered. Its been 4 years and  the floor looks like the day I put it down!

Monday, September 10, 2007 5:08 PM by Steve

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Behr and Quickcrete make the same kind of water base co-polymer paint also known as Water Base Epoxy.  They are both pretty junky paint other than that they dry hard.  Neither covers very well.  The Behr brand had more solids to it than the Quickcrete.  I used  these two brands as a sealer primer on my wood floor and then followed with the Amerlock 400 from Ameron.  This stuff is great. First Color Coat, Second Color Coat with Chips and then 3rd and 4th coats with a two part urethane from Ameron.  I like the results.

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:57 AM by Masoud Andarabi

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Impressive and very interesting, I am talking about the blog and this whole idea of blogs, its great chance to know the person more beyond his profession,

Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:33 AM by dave

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is the urethane slippery?

Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:58 AM by Steve McConnell

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Dave, Yes the urethane is pretty slippery. I have lots of flakes under it, which makes it bumpy, otherwise it would be unsafe when it's wet. You need either to put flakes under it or to use a colorless grit that gets added to it to give it some grip.

Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:35 PM by dave

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You mentioned that you scraped the excess color chips twice.  First time was just before your first layer of urethane.  But, then you said you scraped again before the second layer of urethane.  What was there to scrape?  I would think the urethane would have covered everything.    did you put down even more chips after the first coat of urethane?

btw, i'm planning on trying to copy your fine work above this weekend.  

thanks,

dave

Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:58 PM by Steve McConnell

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Dave, there were just a few spots I'd missed the first time around. I didn't get much the second time. If you do a good job the first time I imagine you could skip the second time.

Send me some pictures of how your work this weekend turns out!

Monday, October 08, 2007 12:23 PM by Chris

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What did you do to the original (1st attempt)Epoxy?  I have existing epoxy, that peeled in some places and am wondering if I should take the entire coat off or try to place the better product ocver it?  Any ideas

Monday, October 08, 2007 2:29 PM by Steve McConnell

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> What did you do to the original (1st attempt)Epoxy?

I rented a "scarifier" from Home Depot, which is a machine that's most commonly used for removing glue from under previous vinyl floors, as far as I could tell. I went over my old floor pretty thoroughly with that. It didn't pull up all the old epoxy -- maybe only 10% of it. I think I would have needed to rent a shot blaster to do that. Mainly I just wanted to rough up the surface enough that the new epoxy would adhere to the old epoxy, and this seemed to do the trick.

Monday, October 08, 2007 2:51 PM by Chris

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Thanks for the quick reply.  Your info and pictures have been extremely helpful.  Thanks for the links and ideas too.  One more question:  How did the topcoat spread?  I guess a better question is how much did you use?

Monday, October 08, 2007 3:09 PM by Steve McConnell

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Chris, My floor's about 900 square feet, and I used 5 gallons of the top coat (the moisture cure urethane). That was enough for 2 thin coats. I could easily have put 6-7 gallons on instead by putting on 3 coats instead of 2. The top coat is so shiny and it seems to look better the more I put on it. The places where I put it on a little thicker look better than the places where I put it on very thin. The service rep I talked to at iPaint was very clear about it looking milky if it got too thick, so I wanted to avoid that. But based on what I saw, I could easily have put it on a tad thicker, and maybe done a third coat, too.

Since this stuff cures based on the moisture in the air, I don't know what effect that had. The can says to put it on when the humidity is 50-75% (or something like that, I don't remember exactly). The first day I put it on the humidity was more like 95%, and my impression was that it was dry faster than the can said it would be. That made me think that the higher humidity might reduce the time you have to work with it.

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:12 AM by dave

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did you apply the urethane with a roller?

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:11 AM by Steve McConnell

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Dave, I did use a roller--a good quality 3/8" nap polyester roller.

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:36 PM by Chris (again)

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Did you apply the urethane around the edges with a brush?

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:56 PM by Steve McConnell

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Chris, Yes I used a disposable paint brush -- the kind with bristles, not the foam kind -- the urethane dissolves the foam, I found out :-)

Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:02 PM by Daniel

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Dear Steve,

I am so concerned about my problem that searching on the internet I found your page.

7 Days ago the guys from slide lok Calgary came into my house to do the floor in my garage.

www.slide-lokofcalgary.com

They made a nice work I must say and my garage floor is identical with yours.

They said that I can park my car after 3 days.

My problem are the fumes.

All this 7 days my garage door was open because of the fumes. We barrelly slept in the house in the first night because of the fumes.

Today it's a week since they finished the job (the job was done in 2 days - usually they need 1 day but the first coat wasn't dry so they came next day) and I still have bad fumes in the garage. My toy car is sitting in a friend's garage but I took already too much advantage of my friend hospitality so I need to do something.

The guys from slide-lok told me that I can not put a car in the garage because my car will smell awful if I will do that. And I'm sure about that too.

I paid over $3,000 for this job and I'm kinda desperate.

Last night I closed the garage door thinking that 2-4 C degrees (outside tempereture during the night in Calgary in this period)is probably too cold so it needs some heat.

Please give me an advice and tell me what should I do because I don't know what should I do.

many Thanks!

Daniel -Calgary

Saturday, October 13, 2007 11:38 PM by Steve McConnell

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Daniel, Glad to hear your floor looks great and sorry to hear about the fumes. I don't know anything about the slide-lok floor so I can't give you any kind of definitive advice about your situation. Their website says they're not using epoxy, but it doesn't say what they *are* using. In my attempts at my garage floor, the first year I did basically 4 coats of epoxy, and the smell lasted for several *months*. But it didn't come inside the house. The second time around I did 2 undercoats of epoxy and then 3 top coats of urethane. The urethane smelled strong for about a week or so, but by a month it was gone. Sorry I can't really help on this one.  

Sunday, October 14, 2007 9:05 PM by Daniel

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Hi Steve,

Thank you for your reply.

Slide-Lok garage flooring features Flexmar coating system technology.

www.flexmarcoatings.com

I called the guy from the company and I complained. He brought me an industrial fan telling me that the air is not moving enough.

But I'm living in a hill and we have plenty of wind in here. I doubt that this is the problem.

I really don't know what should I do, and I'm really concerned abouth this because the car will stay inside for the whole winter...

If you have any ideea or you know someone who had a similar experience and he found a solution please let me know.

In your case, how much time you felt the smell?

Did you find the presence of the smell in the car too? If yes, was it gone or the odor is still present?

Thank you!

Daniel

Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:39 PM by Steve McConnell

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Daniel, Sorry to hear your new garage floor has been so problematic. Unfortunately I don't have anything to add to what I wrote before. I'm not an expert in flooring products, so I can't comment in any general terms. I can tell you how well what I did worked for me, but since you did something different I really don't think there's anything else I can add.

Monday, October 15, 2007 9:15 AM by Daniel

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Thank you for everything!

Daniel